Talk:Northern Ireland national football team

Clarify sectarianism section

The section may be clear enough for British or Irish people, but for foreigners like me it's not quite clear. From what I know about the Northern Ireland conflict, I would guess that Republicans/Catholics do not usually cheer for Northern Ireland, but for the Republic. But I don't know if that's true, because the section is very vague. Please make it better understandable for non-British/Irish people. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.228.45 (talk) 01:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• It isn't that black and white, there are plenty of Catholics who cheer for Northern Ireland. Also to clarify, the terms Catholic and Republican are not interchangeable - one is a religious denomination and one is a political stance.194.75.99.228 (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I have changed this to 'historic' in its title, for reasons outlined in edit summary, Also the first line of the first paragraph is in past tense as is much of the article thus it makes sense for the title to be also. Can always be changed back if new issues arise which as a supporter I see as unlikely. Open to discussion though as I do have an aforementioned bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.117.17.186 (talk) 07:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Recent edits

Please stop removing the distiction between the Ireland national football team (1882–1950) and the Northern Ireland team. It is not disputed that one is the successor of the other, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing. There is an important distinction between the two, hence Wikipedia has two articles. Removing that distinction removes informative material. Leaving the article as it was shows that the modern Northern Ireland team is the successor of the old Ireland team, but acxknowledges that things changed, and the modern Northern Ireland team does not represent the whole of Ireland, or claim to. It is a different entity than the old Ireland team, even if there is continuity between them. --Nicknack009 (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

This has been discussed before at length on this page and a position was agreed, the history is continous which is the position the Irish FA who administer the Northern Ireland team take, if you want to go down the road you are taking, then caps, appearances, goals etc all have to be separated into Northern Ireland caps and Ireland caps. You have listed the first NI game as being against Scotland in 1953, that is not correct the team that took to the pitch in that match was Ireland, as i said previously this has all been discussed before on this talk page, everyone acknowledged that it was complex issue but a position was agreed, and the article has been presented that way for the last approx 10 years until your recent edits. --HateBigotry (talk) 22:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

9 days have now passed since i replied to your post and you have not responded. After you complained to the wikiproject football page about me continually reverting your edits and restoring the article back to the long agreed position, we were told to take it to this talk page to resolve. I would appreciate a response --HateBigotry (talk) 21:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I have made my point. I don't know what else there is to say, but if you insist, I'll say it again. The article is about the Northern Ireland national football team, not the Ireland national football team (1882–1950), which has a separate article. Claiming records for the Northern Ireland team before Northern Ireland even existed makes no sense, and ignores the distinction that Wikipedia (in my view, correctly) draws. --Nicknack009 (talk) 20:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

The history of the team is continous, the geopraphical territory of Northern Ireland has always been covered by the team created in 1882, Northern Ireland team records include all games from 1882 onwards as do caps, goals, managerial records, clean sheets etc etc, that is the position of the Irish FA who administer the team. There is no distinction taken by the Irish FA. As i pointed out in my earlier post how have you plucked out the first Northern Ireland game as being in 1953? Why not 1921 when the province of Northern Ireland was created or 1946 when the original Ireland team joined FIFA or 1951 when FIFA decreed that the original Ireland team could no longer pick players from the Republic of Ireland, or the late 1970's when the Northern Ireland name was used officially for all games, when you go down the road you want to go down you open a massive can of worms that is totally unnecessary, that is why the previous position had been agreed and had been stuck too for this last 10 years.--HateBigotry (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I didn't choose that date. Somebody else chose it, I changed it back to that date. I'm open to another date. Is anyone else going to get involved in the discussion? --Nicknack009 (talk) 08:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

The 1953 date doesn't make any sense that i can see and is an example of how complex the situation is when you try to go down this road, there is no specific start point for the Northern Ireland national team, the team has just played games continually from 1882 being administered by the Irish FA in Belfast, so when you list in the info box stats as (as Northern Ireland), how do you quantify that? first game from Northern Ireland came into existence 1921? FIFA membership 1946? Only pick players from NI 1951? Or when the team was called Northern Ireland in official games, which is even more complicated as the team competed in FIFA tournaments as Northern Ireland, and in non FIFA tournaments as Ireland right up to the late 1970's, as i have said the situation is complex and this is why it was agreed many years ago the cleanest way to leave the entry was with one set of records as the Irish FA themselves record the history. If there were clear start/end points like in the case of Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro/Serbia then you could say it made sense to list these separate records but that is not the case.--HateBigotry (talk) 18:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

"Minor tidy up"

Can I say, as cordially as possible, to wholesale revert significant edits under "Minor tidy up" if not disingenuous is at least sub-optimal as far constructively improving an article goes. The two previous edits that were effectively reverted were summarised as follows:

"expanded context per existing reference" "removed "Historic" prefix, seems inappropriate in context of opening sentence referencing sectarian incidents in 2010s"

Edit #1 was merely expanding the section using an existing reference, and Edit #2 was slightly altering the section title to more accurately reflect the existing text. Neither would justify a stealth reversion and I'm somewhat surprised it happened. NelsonEdit2 (talk) 21:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Individual Records

Hey @HateBigotry:

Just wondering why you like the previous version of the Individual Records better? Felixsv7 (talk) 09:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe it depends on what device you are using to view the website, i use primarily a desktop pc or laptop and i prefer the tidyness of 2 tables being side by side rather than four individual tables one after the other with images in between them. If you are viewing the page on a mobile device it does not display that way. HateBigotry (talk) 22:32, 24 May 2023 (BST)

It also depends on which version you're using. In the old version, side by side tables looked significantly better than it now does in the new version. But generally I like to have the images in the sections that they belong rather than grouped together after the tables, like France, England, Brazil, Germany or Senegal. Felixsv7 (talk) 10:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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